Showing posts with label Relationships. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Relationships. Show all posts

Tuesday, October 30, 2007

Nip/Tuck Made Me Google this....

(The part about pineapple juice)

So I thought I'd share what I found.


Super Spunk Smoothie

1 cup pineapple, fresh or canned
1 banana, frozen
1 cup apple juice
1/2 tsp ginger
1/2 tsp cinnamon
1/4 tsp nutmeg
1/2 tsp vanilla extract
2 TBS honey
Optional ingredients: 1 raw egg white, 2 TBS wheat germ, 2 TBS flax seed, 1 shot wheatgrass juice

Blend all ingredients in a blender until smooth. Drink immediately. Repeat daily for best results.

Wednesday, October 04, 2006

A follow up

First, a housekeeping note.
From this point forward, the use of the slang contractions substituted for the plural form of "you" will not be tolerated on this blog. EVER. Comments not conforming to this rule may be edited or removed, and the poster may be permanently banned. After all, I did say it's important to have standards.

So wow, this thing really blew up over at Pete's. 26 comments last time I looked, plus a bunch more entries over at Dizzy's, including one today. Not to mention some obnoxious rif-raf (probably linked from CDL) who managed to demonstrate a lack of brains (i.e., use of ad hominem attack) and balls (i.e., anonymous) at the same time. Usually us guys make the mistake of using one of those at the expense of the other, not have a lack of both, so I salute you, Mr. Boneheaded Anonymous Commenter, for lowering the bar for the rest of us.

Well, I certainly didn't expect that big of a response. I can't go over all the stuff on both sites in detail, but I do think I need to respond to the gist of them, because it seems like the commentary goes well beyond what I was saying. So, I write this to clarify my position--which, I believe, shouldn't be terribly controversial. After all, most of the gripes that have been conveyed I'm in perfect agreement with... and they don't go to the point I wanted to make (although perhaps they might go to some of Pete's instead).

So, to precisely restate my objection that started this, it is that blame was placed upon CDL for missing a hint and continuing from there. Missing a hint cannot be blameworthy conduct. It is not even "conduct" at all. One cannot decide whether one will fully comprehend something or read between the lines. One can certainly try, and one may even be right most of the time, but on those occasions when one does not, it is not blameworthy. It is a failure of performance, it is not a bad choice. The choice to communicate in hints rather than directly IS a choice. The speaker has assumed the risk of not communicated, and by virtue of that choice, bears the responsibility if that choice leads to non- or mis-communication. You cannot equate a failure of performance to a bad decision. That would be like saying that a pedestrian hit by a drunk driver is as guilty as the drunk driver because he didn't jump out of the way in time. Nor can you say that the listener has assumed a risk of miscommunication by placing him/herself in a broader social context; as that would be the same as blaming the pedestrian for going outside that day.

This isn't to say that the partner from CDL did anything wrong. In her case, the hint preceded a direct shootdown. In my book, she did everything right. CDL made an ass of himself by continuing after the direct shootdown, and for that he certainly is blameworthy, not the partner.
Moving on to the comments and new posts... I can't stress enough that my argument is very narrow and is a moral argument about decisions, assignment of blame, and assumption of risk. Inferences of what I would say beyond that are probably--and have been--wrong. So please hold all the "So you're saying that..." stuff, because a lot of it probably goes beyond that context. The only way my argumemt went beyond this was when I also stated that I would be pissed if someone thought I was communicating something I wasn't and that I bore the consequences... This is not an argument against communicating in hints, it is an argument against assuming that what you know what a hint was and acting on it. By deciding to act on imperfect information, the actor has now assumed a risk and is blameworthy for the consequences.

I don't believe that people can ever expect 100% direct communication all the time or anything even close to that. Hints and subtleties are, and will always be an important part of human communication, and there isn't necessarily anything wrong with that. The better people can use and pick up on these things, the better their social interactions would be...when it works. But, what's important is to remember that this information is imperfect. So, by all means, hint away, and try to read them in others. But, keep in mind that if you are communicating indirectly, or assuming that you've read such a communication yourself, that YOU bear the moral burden for the consequences if you're wrong because YOU had the power to either say it directly or ask a direct question. The other person didn't have a choice in the matter.

I hope it's obvious that this applies to men as well as women. All those instances where guys assumed that a girl would pick up a hint and then blamed the girl for that... those guys are wrong, not her. All those assholes in clubs that are assuming that someone is flirting without knowing and acting on that assumption with aggressive grabbing and whatnot... they're wrong, not her. But at the same time, the girl who turns down an advance by saying she's busy instead of not interested, implying that she'd accept the date another time, eventually leading to an embarrassing situation later on that would have been prevented but for her decision to rely on his picking up the hint... she's wrong, not him. And the same for things that happen within an existing relationship, where the consequences are much, much higher.

Finally, I want to address the "telemarketer" argument. As I've said above, hint away. Hinting can get rid of a lot of unwilling advances and is probably not only a good idea in the bar/club situation, but is quite necessary. It does not solve the imperfect information problem, though, and cannot be expected to (although it does help). But I fundamentally disagree with the idea that one can be out somewhere and have an entitlement not to be propositioned in some way. Quite the opposite, I think everyone has the right to ask and everyone has the right to decline. This is quite different from what might be appropriate of course, but appropriateness doesn't count for much and in a lot of cases really shouldn't. Of course, you and I are still free to think less of people that do inappropriate things, especially when it does count for something.

Thursday, September 28, 2006

An Old Gripe

I won't pretend that this entry is insightful or original, but both genders are guilty of forgetting some obvious things, which means repetition is unfortunately necessary.

A few weeks ago, one of my friends here in Bloomington got me interested in a law blog by Dizzy. The blog is mostly about relationship gripes, and manages to entertain while also giving us guys useful intel about how "the other side" is thinking. Of course, by subjecting myself to a stream of complaints about men, I'm inevitably going to run into things about the way women think and/or act that make me want to bitch back. Things such as this post and this post.

The first post is about a guy who got his hopes up about being able to take a colleague home, and since he was about to be leaving the job anyways, he figured he had both good shot of getting a yes and not much to lose if he got a no. He took the shot, she apparently tried to gently wave him off, he missed the hint, she then directly said she didn't think it was a good idea, and he then proceeded to completely air his feelings, guaranteeing an embarrassing and awkward time for all parties invovled. The guy here is clearly a bonehead for disregarding the direct shootdown; the woman there did just fine. But, it wouldn't have been good enough for Dizzy if he stopped at "I don't think that's a good idea." Dizzy is griping that he didn't catch onto the fact that she "had clearly rejected him" from the beginning with the hint--as if the situation that resulted would still have been his fault even without the direct rejection--and it's this expectation that has pissed me off for years.

It isn't because her interpretation of what the woman said is unreasonable. Not only was it reasonable, it was right, and her reasoning for why the woman said what she said makes perfect sense. But, there isn't anything "clear" about a hint or any statement that requires reading between the lines--as a matter of definition. (And remember what our LRW prof's keep telling us, if you need to use words like "clearly" in making your argument, it's precisely because it's not clear!!!) Whenever people look beyond the face value of words, there is always room for different interpretations. What interpretations are more reasonable depend on the listener's own point of view, experiences, biases, mental processes, etc. It also depends on the speaker; different people might even have spoken the same words for different reasons. For example, from my own point of view, if a girl I'm attracted to asks me if I had plans after the current engagement or if I was just going home, I might very well say that I was tired and planning on going home even if I was open to the idea of going home with that person. This is because (1) it's just plain true, (2) the other given choice of having plans already pretty much precludes a hookup, if that's what I want (and still true), and/or (3) I might need to deflect any inferences that the reason I look the way I do is because I'm in a bad mood when I'm actually doing fine; I've just been in that noisy bar too long and I'm coming off my buzz, and nothing would please me more than to go someplace quieter where I can be more comfortable, both physically and emotionally (and again, true). I know you're saying that one's crazy but that really is the way I usually feel after the 2 hour mark. I might say 'drained' instead of 'tired' though--whatever. The point is if you get me in a better environment, I'll perk up. We can argue back and forth about the reasonableness of different interpretations, but it doesn't matter if the listener is right or wrong or even reasonable or unreasonable--especially because a person under that sort of emotional stress probably can't think rationally in the first place! What matters is that because our minds work differently, we will inevitably reach different conclusions--and that's assuming the listener even tries to read between the lines at all. Because of this, when you try to communicate in hints, you assume the risk of the hint not being communicated. Period.

And don't give me any of that crap about how you're using hints becaue you don't want to hurt his feelings. That's a cop-out, or at best, a sign that you've forgotten a lesson you should have learned by now: that at least to us, there are far worse things than being rejected. We're mentally prepared to take "no" for an answer (well, not Bonehead apparently...), but we will be justifiably pissed off if we end up having to deal with a greater emotional harm later down the road that could have been prevented with a little up-front honesty.

What's more is that I'd be fucking pissed if I found out I missed a golden opportunity because someone tried to read something into something I said that wasn't there. (It's happened before, except by people far more important than casual hookup candidates.) Since I don't want to bear the costs of misinterpretations, I deal with my friends honestly. Naively, I suppose, I expect the same from others. I'm quite sure that if it had been me in the Bonehead's position, I would have missed the hint too, and while I do fault myself for some degree for being dense on such matters, I do fault the speaker more for making the choice to communicate ineffectively. And in keeping in line with the tradition of the "advice" motive of Dizzy's blog (not to imply that advice by me to women is as useful as hers to men, of course. I have no such delusions), I'll add to this rant that if I can't trust someone to say what she means and mean what she says, it's unlikely that I'll be interested in her. It's inconsistent with my belief in relationships being based on mutual respect, and probably also a major reason why I'm single.

The second post is along the same lines. Dizzy graciously offers us advice on how to get laid--thanks!--and offers us some useful intel: that what women really want is someone who's great in bed. Well shit, that's encouraging, because after hearing about the stupid nitpicky stuff that I hear women criticize people about it's nice to hear that the key is actually something that we can expect to matter and that we have some control over. Besides, I've always had much more trouble being invited the first time than I have being invited back for a second. ; ) So far, so good... But then my hopes are dashed, because I then find out that we are being evaluated on this based on the degree of control we're willing to give up in social situations (witholding personal secrets, not exerting influence on other's decisions, deciding on a partner instead of "keeping one's options open," etc).

First off, if there is any relationship between a willingness to give up that sort of control (some of which reeks of tired gripe about committment) and "performance," it's very attenuated. I'm willing to give Dizzy this much though--someone with a personality that is amenable to accepting the vulnerability that comes with "losing control" is also going to be more self-confident and more willing to let go of inhibitions, and will therefore be more passionate. (If I'm wrong about how the dots are connected, please correct me, because I don't want to set up a straw man.) The problem with this is that personality does not tell us much about actual behavior. Behavior is situation-based. It's entirely possible that a person who does not display vulnerability-accepting behavior in a social context is quite willing and able to cut loose in a more intimate setting. I just fear what else is on that list that wasn't mentioned, because really, I want to know if I'm accidentally sending any messages I don't know about!

This is actually another one of my old relationship gripes. I call it "the test." As in, your girlfriend (or potential gf) isn't sure about something about you, and tries to approach the problem quasi-scientifically. She thinks up a hypothesis and a way to test it--if you do X, then you must be/think Y. The problem is that the variables are never controlled and the whole thing is invalid. One uncontrolled variable here is the social context, and it renders the analysis invalid.

I have to admit though, that I can only be so frustrated with this last one, because I'm guilty of doing it as well. One of my main criteria is my own estimate of the quality of the "experience," and I can't say I have anything reasonable to base it on either. My hypocrisy goes only so far, though. I won't state flatly that a woman who does X or doesn't do Y is going to suck. I won't go farther than "probably," and I'm acutely aware of the fact that I've been surprised before.